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Sunday, October 03, 2010

To the Couple who had their Car Vandalized on Oct 2nd

We have surveillance images that you may want to review if you want to press charges.  Contact either Matt or myself (Rick) at scenichotsprings@gmail.com (or use the Call Me button in the sidebar.

Wednesday, September 15, 2010

Vandalism at Scenic

EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY:  Anybody found on the Scenic property without permission  is going to be asked to leave immediately.  {No change there}

Anybody found on the Scenic property a second time without permission to be there will have charges preferred for 2nd Degree Criminal Trespass. {We have let you slide . . . no more}

Anybody who does not have permission to be on the Scenic property, is challenged and asked to leave, and does not do so immediately, will have the Skykomish sheriff's deputy meet them at the gate and have 1st Degree Criminal Trespass charges preferred.

ANYONE suspected of vandalizing Scenic property or the property of permitted Scenic visitors will have the Skykomish deputy's interest.  I record the license plate numbers and photograph all the cars parked at Scenic.  Car vandalism is ridiculous . . . endangering someone far from help is serious!  We will not allow this sort of criminal behavior to start up again.  Charges will be filed.


As far as what has led up to this harsher position . . . those responsible for shoving a blade through two tires engaged not only in vandalism but, according to the advice I received from the deputy, are guilty of reckless endangerment for stranding a vehicle in wilderness at night and outside of cell phone coverage.

I have given the deputy copies of pictures of the vehicles parked at the gate along with license plate numbers and descriptions of the large group of people at the springs associated with those vehicles who were asked to leave. When I download the trailcam images (there are two Trail Cams on the trail, so I'm sure we got some images) I will give them also to the King County Sheriff's Department. When it is found out who engaged in this act of vandalism and reckless endangerment, I will fully press charges against that individual or individuals . . . or the entire group as responsible . . . unless someone comes forward to identify which one was the irresponsible idiot.

One of the two tires shived with a blade, guaranteeing that this vehicle
and the driver were stranded a long way from help and
cell phone coverage at night.
I have also sent off an email to the owner suggesting that access to Scenic be terminated . . . since trespassers and vandals just can't seem to get the message.  It will make my job a whole lot easier . . . any car parked at Scenic can be presumed to be trespassing and the deputy so informed so that he can take appropriate action during his patrols.  We will throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Wednesday, August 25, 2010

Private Event on August 31st: Scenic will be closed to casual requests

We have a large reservation scheduled for the 31st of August that warrants the closure of the hot springs to all other visitors (both those who request and those who do not).

This group has gone through the process of requesting permission and is large enough to be given exclusive access for their retreat.  Please respect their space and privacy to allow them to have a refreshing and soul-uplifting time at Scenic Hot Springs.


Scenic is a great place for retreats, reunions and similar events.  If you have a group of 20 or more individuals and would like to reserve Scenic for exclusive use for a day, feel free to contact Matt or Rick about possibilities.

Thursday, August 12, 2010

Persid Meteor Shower Friday Night

Is there interest in an escorted night-time visit to Scenic to soak and view the Persid Meteor Showers?  The Persids are going to be at their best this weekend and Scenic is a prime viewing location.  Let us know soonest.

Saturday, August 07, 2010

Meager Creek HS: Landslide near B.C. hot spring traps people

Friday, August 6th, 2010 | 12:51 pm
Rating: 3.0/5 (2 votes cast)

A two-kilometre-wide landslide has been reported near Meager Creek Hot Spring, about 95 kilometres north of Pemberton, B.C.
Authorities say an unknown number of people are trapped in the area, which is popular with campers and swimmers, but there was no word on injuries by midday Friday.
“RCMP are saying that a side of the mountain called Capricorn Mountain essentially gave way,” CBC News reporter Lisa Johnson told CBC News Network on Friday. “They are calling it a large-scale avalanche.”
The flow of rock and soil debris has covered a river in the area, causing water to become blocked upstream of the slide and threatening nearby ranchers' fields, Johnson said. Downstream, water levels are dropping.
Meager Creek flows northeast into the Lillooet River, and is known for a series of hot-spring pools on its banks.
“The Japanese-style hot spring, in a natural outdoor setting, offers three natural rock baths, a self-composting toilet, and a change room,” notes the region's page on VancouverIsland.com. The entry adds that the spring's clothing-optional day-use park is maintained by Recreation Sites and Trails BC.
In the past, the area has occasionally been closed to public access in the aftermath of landslides, including one that took out the Capricorn Creek Bridge in September 2009.


Addendum:  A melting glacier triggered the avalanche that came to rest atop  Meager Creek hot spring, trapping about 14 campers who were in the area.  Those stranded were airlifted out . . . the only way in and out of Meager Creek for now.  Capricorn Creek is continuing to flow into Meager Creek, which has been completely blocked by the slide, while the Lillooet River has cut its own channel.  They are talking road closures into the upper Lillooet Valley.  Rick

Friday, August 06, 2010

Scenic HS Closure Aug 20th and 21st

Scenic Hot Springs will be closed  to the public on August 20th, 2010 until August 21st, 2010 for an approved, prearranged and closed Boy Scout troop appreciation weekend.  If you are not involved and on the list for this event, you will be stopped and turned away.

Please respect the private property rights and our decision to make this an exclusive event to benefit the good the Boy Scouts of America instill in our youth.

Scenic will be available once again on the following Sunday, August 22nd, 2010.

Wednesday, June 23, 2010

Scenic will be closed June 26-27 for maintenance

The pools will be emptied and relined during this maintenance event.  There are several other projects going on, including some culvert clearing and trash removal.  During this clean-up event only those involved in the work party will be authorized on the hot springs property.

This is a two-day event with activity going on throughout the weekend.  Casual visitors will be turned away . . . and no requests for access will be approved until the maintenance is completed.

This clean-up party is a chance to thank those people who have, in the past several months, requested permission and been approved in advance of their visit.  It is a chance to get together help out the springs and, enjoy a rare opportunity for some night soaking, a picnic, and potentially supervised camping overnight while the clean-up is ongoing.

Those invited will enjoy the springs on us (once the new liners are in place).  If you have been invited to participate (and want to), please RSVP scenichotsprings@gmail.com   If I forgot to invite anyone please let me know soon as we need a head count for the food.

As always, Scenic is clothing-optional and I will certainly be working on my tan lines.  Changing liners is a wet and messy job . . . there is simply not other way.  So feel free to be as comfortable as you want.

Tuesday, May 25, 2010

Permission Request Template

Scenic Hot Springs
Request for Permission to Visit
(Copy this text and send it with your request, supplying the requested info)


Step One: 
Read the Conditions of Access following this section before asking if it would be possible to visit.

Supply the following information: Name of Responsible Party:_____________________________________________ Desired Date & Time of Visit:___________________ No of People:_________

Step Two: 
If the date you requested is available make a contribution to help offset maintenance costs:

A contribution ($5 x no. of people) of $___________ has been made,

And supply the make and license number of the vehicle you plan on using: _______________________________________________________________________

Step Three: 
We will email a digitally-signed Permission Slip good for only the day you requested. Please make two copies, carry one with you and place the other copy on the dash of your car. If by some chance you are unable to visit the day you asked for we will accommodate you at a future date. Contributions are non-refundable. By going through the above steps you acknowledge that you have read the Conditions of Access below and you accept them. You also acknowledge that you are 18 or over.

Conditions of Access 

Scenic Hot Springs is PRIVATE PROPERTY and you must agree to abide by the owner’s wishes, terms and conditions prior to conditional access. Application for a reservation constitutes acceptance of the following terms and conditions:

1) I acknowledge the rugged nature of the terrain I wish to visit and the nature of soaking in natural hot springs. I understand that the hot springs are not chlorinated and that sanitary conditions can not be guaranteed in such a primitive location. I assume for myself and my guests, any and all risks, implicit and explicit, while on the property known as Scenic Hot Springs. My guests, by accompanying me, acknowledge and accept these risks and likewise release the owner from liability.

2) Minors under the age of eighteen (18) must be accompanied by a legally-responsible adult guardian. Parents or guardians are responsible to control the behavior of their children.

3) No children under the age of six (6). Young children do not have fully-developed thermo-regulatory systems, making soaking in the hot temperatures of the hot springs a potential danger of hyperthermia or heat stroke with few warning signs.

4) The pools are for soaking. Do not swim or dive in the pools!

5) Do not soak in the pools if you have open sores, an infectious skin condition, or suffer from intestinal distress. These pools are communal and you have a responsibility to fellow soakers. Make restroom breaks before entering pools. Rinse yourself off before entering pools.

6) No Nighttime Soaking: Myself, and my guests will be off the site before sunset.

7) No Fires or Campfires: I understand that this is a fire restricted area.

8) No Dogs or other pets, No Camping, No Firearms, No Glass Containers, period.

9) Alcohol in moderation (preferably none).

10) My guests and myself will respect the site by soaking quietly and respectfully of other soakers who may be up there. We will stay on the trails and take all litter out with us, leaving the site clean. We understand that clothing-optional is the norm and accept that we may experience nudity in the pools and often on the trail up. Lewd behavior, however, is not tolerated.


Winter Conditions (Additional Requirements) 

During winter conditions the owner and the stewards of Scenic Hot Springs reserve the right to close access to the property when conditions, in our sole judgment, are too dangerous. Any guests who have reservations for that date will be given an opportunity for a future visit.

During winter cold weather conditions, visitors are expected to carry sufficient clothing and survival supplies in the event you are stranded by deep snowfall or a sudden change in weather.

1) Practice layering of your clothing. Do not wear cotton as cotton, wet, saps body heat. Wear a hat and gloves, as needed.

2) Carry three days worth of food. Keep yourself hydrated.

3) Carry at least three different ways of lighting a fire.

4) Carry your cell phone. It often works at the hot springs site.

5) Snow can get very deep at Scenic during the height of winter, making snowshoes an essential. Scenic also has steep slopes that may present snow-slide hazards.

Sunday, April 25, 2010

Seasonal Spring Switch has happened

Was up at the springs today . . . pleasantly surprised that everyone up there had read the Conditions of Access and requested permission.  A nice group all.  Thank you.

Lobster Springs has started going cold . . . as expected around this time of year as the snow finally melts.  The springs is still slightly hotter than body temp (Bear Den, the other spring decidedly warmer).  Expect the spring to go cold within days and, depending on how much groundwater remains, stay cold for a week or two.

Most of the snow and ice on the upper trail has melted, though there are a few slippery spots.

Saturday, March 27, 2010

Conditions of Access to Scenic Hot Springs

A few people have noted problems with reading the Conditions of Access link on Scribd, therefore I have embedded the document here.  Please note that before we will even consider granting permission to visit, you must explicitly accept these conditions.

The Conditions of Access:

Scenic Hot Springs Access Request

Tuesday, February 23, 2010

Scenic is conditionally open

We've talked it over and have come to the conclusion that the worst of the vandalism has abated so, therefore, we are going to allow access to the hot springs on a permission-based reservation system . . . meaning, read the Conditions of Access in the sidebar and then ask for permission. Help cover the costs of controlling the vandalism, etc with a contribution via the PayPal icon.

Conditions as of last Sunday: The springs are still running hot and will remain so until we get significant snow melt. Right now they are hot. The biggest obstacle is the hike up. The upper sections of the trail (from Rock Alley to the switchback) are steep and heavily ice-coated. If you do not have crampons please do not risk injury by attempting this hike at this time. That's how bad the ice is. As stated in the Conditions of Access you assume all risk with the full knowledge of the wilderness conditions up there. That is, assuming we have given you permission . . . trespassers simply get what they deserve.

Speaking of trespassers, the trail cam has given us some remarkable footage . . . much of which I simply cannot post on the blog. The trail cam will remain in place (but not at the pools) so consider yourselves on your best behavior (again, assuming you have permission to be up there).

Those caught trespassing will be asked to leave or turned back . . . or if deemed respectful enough, asked to make a donation on the spot to continue up or soaking. Those that ask in advance are asked $5 per person . . . those encountered on the trail without permission will be asked $10 or leave.

The essential rules:

  • Ask for permission and contribute
  • Be respectful. No lewd behavior, stay on the trail and pack out your trash (and then some)
  • No camping, no fires, no dogs and absolutely no firearms
  • Absolutely no night-time soaking at Scenic
  • Be prepared for changing weather conditions
Read the Conditions of Access for more information.

Monday, February 22, 2010

Peek-a-boo, I see you

Okay, so let's not totally embarrass the antics of some of the dozens of trespassers to the springs over the last week. I will share just one image of a curious dude intent on examining it where I thought the camera was well-hidden. I'll place it better the next time. And maybe the next time I will post those embarrassing photos as a trespasser has little reason to expect privacy while traipsing on private property.



The conditions at Scenic are far from ideal. The recent spate of warm days followed by snap-freezes at night has created serious ice conditions on the trail. Even crampons are not enough on the steeper sections. You head up there and you risk serious injury. Please stay away.


The lock was missing again. It will be replaced tonight. I caught one couple driving a jeep into the clearcut. When asked what they were doing there . . . they got caught in the snow at the bottom of the BPA loop . . . they became beligerent and outright threatening claiming they had a right to go anywhere on a Forest Service road. I pointed out the gate was shut and in place for a reason. Plus, where they were is no longer a FS road but a BPA maintenance road and private property. I almost called the sheriff and then retorted, "Fine. I'm going to lock the gate now. I'll come back in a day or two to see if you need help getting out." The bluff worked. They eventually dug themselves out and headed back out. I did them a favor because I could have just as easily replaced the locks without the knowledge that they'd snuck in.


Saturday, January 30, 2010

Surveillance Footage

The Forest Service is going to be interested in this individual



One of the surveillance cameras we've installed at the springs . . . and a test of it's capabilities.

You can view some of the images it took over a period of a couple of days here:  http://www.anthonians.org/forgotten_knot/Scenic%20Trespassers/

Sunday, January 24, 2010

Colorado: BLM to auction steam beneath Chalk Creek Valley landowners


The hot springs are the biggest lure to this scenic valley at the foot of Mount Princeton, but they are now the source of a looming fight over whether it will be the site of the state's first geothermal electric plant.

Read more:http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_14252604#ixzz0dXiDoMdX

Monday, January 11, 2010

Vandalism update

On Wednesday January 6th a friend of mine and myself went to check on the state of the hot springs (my visits are always random). When I arrived at the gate, not intending to open and drive up I once again found the lock had been cut from the gate. Not much of a surprise as this happens more often than I care to admit. I do believe that the gates lock continually is removed by the same group of people. Anyway, continuing up the mountain I found the state of the hot springs to be abhorable! Two empty 12 pack bottles of beer lying on the deck and every single empty bottle flung down hill to break on the rocks. Towels, underwear, socks and a few shirts, pistachio shells, sunflower seeds, Russian dried fish snack packaging and lots of other food garbage was strewn about the soak. I was thoroughly disgusted to see this behavior in the middle of winter. Generally the winter crowd is much more respectful to the property. So I proceeded to clean the mess up. After about an hour the two of us had cleaned up as much as possible (you just cannot get every shard of glass). I proceeded down hill and put a temporary lock on the gate as I left.

On Friday the 8th I returned again to meet with the forest service and get the proper locks on the gate(there are three locks; Bonneville Power, US Forest Service, and the private land owners). Once done I continued up hill only to find almost as much of the exact same garbage as picked up on Wednesday. Once again I cleaned the area up. Before I left this day though (Friday) I drained both tubs so as to at least inconvenience the late night trouble makers.

Monday the 11th (today) I returned again, surprise surprise the locks were gone again. After some scouting around I discovered they actually blew them off this time with a small bomb. Do not care to go into details on that, do not want to give anyone ideas. Also there was remains of a smashed out tinted car window at the parking area before the gate. It appears somebodies car was broken into. Continuing up the hill to the soak I found more of the same garbage again and a large black sooty spot in the ice compacted on the deck. It appeared these jackasses tried to start a fire just off the deck and it moved somehow onto the deck (right in the middle). So I picked up all the garbage once again and decided the sooty spot needed to go. I put together a few hoses and proceeded to melt the sooty snow off the decks. As the snow was melting under the hot water I noticed an iridescence emanating off the wood of the deck and I noticed a slight petroleum smell. 45 mins later the sooty snow was gone. I then decided to clean up deep under the decks and found a hidden two quart jug of diesel motor oil! These jackasses were starting wet wood on fire with motor oil. Wow! Anyway I managed to clean up everything the best I could.

Scenic Hot Springs is under a constant barrage of vandalism. We are looking at the idea of starting a coalition of a very few reliable trust worthy soakers who are interested in patrolling the springs so as to keep these vandals out. If this is something you have the time for most importantly, please drop us an email. Include your phone number please so we may contact you to discuss details.

Anyway this is one of my most absolute favorite places in the world and it breaks my heart to see such disrespect for such a natural wonder. I have gotten to meet quite a few soakers at scenic and I know that this spring has some special followers that can fit the bill. Please contact us if you are interested.

Thursday, January 07, 2010

Scenic Hot Springs is Closed Until Further Notice

Matt will be giving a more thorough update but until we straighten out the vandalism over the New Year weekend we will not be giving permission for anyone to visit the hot springs.  I realize that most of those wishing to visit are good people . . . unfortunately, a few miscreants have ruined it for everyone.  Both myself and Matt . . . Bob and a few other volunteers will be paying surprise visits on the springs over the next few weeks and we will be kicking everyone out, regardless of your protests or asking after-the-fact.  I am sick of the vandalism, Matt is sick of it . . . the owner is sick of it.  We ask and ask and the trespassers still head on up and destroy the place.

Matt is in the process of talking to the Forest Service Law Enforcement officers at Skykomish about the damage to the Forest Service gate and the theft/destruction of the locks . . . government property and they are talking this latest case seriously.

There is broken glass all over the place up at the hot springs.  Several large (45gal) contractor's garbage bags were not enough to cart the mess out.  There is damage to the linings of both pools, and there is evidence of more fires being made up at the springs.  What part of 'You're irresponsible idiots' don't you folks get?

I will be giving out no more permission slips in the near future.  And I guarantee that those I find up at the springs or on their way up will get turned around . . . or the deputy in Skykomish can come on by and earn his paycheck.

In the near future the gate the trail entrance and one or two other locations will be put under video surveillance.  It is expensive but now necessary.  You are under notice.  Video will be used in prosecution if so needed.


RCW 9A.52.080
Criminal trespass in the second degree.


(1) A person is guilty of criminal trespass in the second degree if he knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in or upon premises of another under circumstances not constituting criminal trespass in the first degree.
     (2) Criminal trespass in the second degree is a misdemeanor.

This property has been posted and the present signs cannot be missed by anyone attempting to visit the springs.  Willful violation, disregard and trespass is Criminal Trespass punishable by a $1,000 fine and/or 90 days in jail.  Willful disregard of notice to leave or re-entering after being warned off is Criminal Trespass of the first degree with commensurately steeper penalties.

And those that damaged the Forest Service gate and the locks . . . be assured the Federal government takes a dim view of this type of vandalism and of vehicular trespass that if you are caught (we took pictures of the tire tracks), you will face Federal charges.

Everyone say 'thank you' to these miscreants.  Scenic is closed!